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PostSubject: Brushless Drift Build..   Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:07 pm

Having very limited knowledge on the subject of whats good in the RC world I have decided to take my list here.
After running my Traxxas all day on some ABS wheels I have realized some necessities when it comes to my future TC4.

One being a EXCELLENT servo for steering.. you guys have any suggestions?
What is the best and why exactly is it the best???
Looking at the Futaba BLS452 Brushless EP Car Hi-Torque Servo...

I would love to be able to drift with some Type A tires... so, brushless systems..
What is the best and why exactly is it the best???
Been looking at the Traxxas TRA3350X Velineon VXL-3S Waterproof Brushless Power System..
They carry one at my local hobby shop for 170...

Also, can you purchase just a TC4 rolling chassis... or they only selling them RTR??

I will get into the rest of it later.
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless Drift Build..   Wed Nov 03, 2010 9:45 am

Deadleg,

The BLS series servos are great I don't have the 452 but I do have 2-351's and a 451 and I love them. The first ? would be what's your budget because the BLS servos are pretty pricey and you can get some really nice servos from Hitec for a cheaper price. I would look for something with some decent speed and torque The Hitec 5625 would be a great servo for your drifter and it's only $50. But if you got the cash get the BLS452 you will not be disappointed.

Brushless Systems.......TEKIN TEKIN TEKIN!!!!!!!! But the Traxxas system is OK for the price and you can always put it in something offroad and get wet.

As for the roller they don't sell one just the RTR but there are some RC related forums that you can buy rollers from between $50 to $150 all day long.


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PostSubject: Re: Brushless Drift Build..   Wed Nov 03, 2010 2:30 pm

-TC5racer- wrote:
Deadleg,

The BLS series servos are great I don't have the 452 but I do have 2-351's and a 451 and I love them. The first ? would be what's your budget because the BLS servos are pretty pricey and you can get some really nice servos from Hitec for a cheaper price. I would look for something with some decent speed and torque The Hitec 5625 would be a great servo for your drifter and it's only $50. But if you got the cash get the BLS452 you will not be disappointed.

This is for my ideal drifting RC.. I have a jar I will be putting money into for this build.
... now if Hitec is a good quality servo then I will get that to have some extra cash to get more Type A tires.
Imagine that will be the priciest part of this..
If you have experience with HPI's Type A tire, let me know what you thought about 'em.. how long did they last??
.. and were you running Nitro or Brushless.

-TC5racer- wrote:

Brushless Systems.......TEKIN TEKIN TEKIN!!!!!!!! But the Traxxas system is OK for the price and you can always put it in something offroad and get wet.

What about its power... will the 10 turn Traxxas work well with the HPI Type A tires???
Need a motor that will break it loose and get it sideways.

-TC5racer- wrote:

As for the roller they don't sell one just the RTR but there are some RC related forums that you can buy rollers from between $50 to $150 all day long.

Looking for something with quality.. not a used beater... PM the forums you recommend me to check out for these rollers.

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Good Luck

Thanks TC5.
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless Drift Build..   Wed Nov 03, 2010 3:45 pm

The Hitec servos are great quality and if you are using a non-Computerized TX & RX you can go with the non digital version of the HS-5625MG which is the HS-625MG same specs just not digital. I have a couple of the 5625's and they are great servo's with no problems over the years because they are metal gear servos and they tend to hold up very well.
This is where I compare servo specs

Servocity

I run brushless everything!!! but I have used some HPI drift tires that were made for nitro drifters because I knew the Power was there I don't know what they were maybe Type D IDK

As for the the 10T motor I'm not really sure. I'm sure it would break loose it just wouldn't be power on demand like with brushless.
With the money you could save on your servo you could get this

Tekin RS 10.5 combo


RCTech has some good deals here's a couple I found with the search function. There is also RCGroups, RCUniverse

$140 TC4 Roller plus extra parts
$90 TC3 roller

The TC3 is pretty much a TC4 with just a couple of differences but for a drifter either would work fine.
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless Drift Build..   Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:18 pm

-TC5racer- wrote:

I run brushless everything!!! but I have used some HPI drift tires that were made for nitro drifters because I knew the Power was there I don't know what they were maybe Type D IDK

As for the the 10T motor I'm not really sure. I'm sure it would break loose it just wouldn't be power on demand like with brushless.

That Traxxas 10T is a brushless motor.
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless Drift Build..   Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:37 pm

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-TC5racer- wrote:

I run brushless everything!!! but I have used some HPI drift tires that were made for nitro drifters because I knew the Power was there I don't know what they were maybe Type D IDK

As for the the 10T motor I'm not really sure. I'm sure it would break loose it just wouldn't be power on demand like with brushless.

That Traxxas 10T is a brushless motor.

You were referring to the VXL sorry I misunderstood......for sure it will work

Typically when referring to 1/10 sensorless motors like the Traxxas motor the KV would be used and in this case 3500Kv
Sensored motors are usually described with the turn of the motor ie: 10.5T, 13.5 and 17.5
Thats why I was confused.
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless Drift Build..   Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:27 pm

$200 TC5
Here's a great deal!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless Drift Build..   Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:53 pm

Thats a deal!! But I think he dosent want to spend that much though.
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless Drift Build..   Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:55 pm

THEANVIL wrote:
Thats a deal!! But I think he dosent want to spend that much though.
Well he was planning on spending $100 on a servo so why not $200 for a great car.
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless Drift Build..   Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:25 pm

Looks like I will be getting the 90 dollar TC3 roller.
... unless Germanese PMs me back about his TT-01.
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless Drift Build..   Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:26 pm

There is also this one and it's Brand new that's less than 1/2 price.

Losi JRX-S type R
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless Drift Build..   Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:24 pm

Go with the TC3
Unless you interested in the XXX-S
TC-3 saves you alot of headache over the TT-01

And TCracer and every one else can ensure you that TC3 is better than the TT-01 in any way LOL

PM me If you interested in the XXX-S as a roller or want brushless set up. Then i can help you out.
because the XXX-S is much more comparable with the TC3.

As for System wise. Any brushless will work.
Its how good can you control the car with that power.
You want elegant drifts you need somehting u can control.
So Brushless 8.5 is you power limit in speed where 13.5 is where you want in the middle.
So a VXL system gets you in the 8.5 range in KV which is 5000ish kv and that sitting at the max that is comfortable to drift.

As for other cheap system, Some work some dont, What you wanna watch out for is ESC that can handle the spikes you keep giving it in drifting. As Dominator or any other person that tried out drifting, you are abusing ur electronics differently. you constatnly spiking it small and are wide open most of the time this causes heat. etc etc i will write up a tutorial soon once i have time.

On the cheap:
90A 120A and more EZRuns ESC and motor combo

Med core:
Speed Passion GT 2.0 Pro
Speed Passion GT 2.0 LPF
Tekin RS
Mamba Max Pro

Higher end:
Tekin RS Pro
KO Propo (More catered for racing)
LRP (More catered for racing)
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless Drift Build..   Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:34 pm

Okay next lets tackle Steering.

In drifting you want a decent speed one over Torque.
Torque is good since most high torque are solid sturdy.
But its useless if you cant adjust steering fast enough.

BUT keep in mind good steering servo is useless if the Receiver and Transmitter are slow.
AM transmitter are a big no no for precision.
FM is the lowest you want to go. 2.4 is what you really want. But if money is an issue for now FM.

So with that in mind.
What i am using are
Futaba S9551
KO Propo PDS-2413ICS

Both are complete over kill for drifting but since i want to race also they work good for both worlds

Hitec 625MG, 645MG Is your budget min Servo
Savox are pretty decent servos look for .10-.16 ish
KO Propo came out with a Budget line Metal gear

You can always go with a BL but thats over kill also, and its useless if you dont plan to get a radio gear with it.
Also alot of BL and Digital Servos can back feed into the receiver.
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless Drift Build..   Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:03 am

Servo Examples:
Hitec 645MG .24 sec ($35 ish)

KO Propo PDS-2413 ICS .10 sec ($100+)
Hitec 625MG Speed .18 sec ($25-35)
Savox SC-1258TG SC-1257TG .08-.07sec ($65-$69)

Spend about 30-60 ish on a servo and get the correct one.

Chassis wise:
TC3 are cheap used 50-100
TC4 are cheap used 75-125
XXX-S are cheap used 75-125

Cyclones HPI used for about 125-150
Xray gettign more expensive 150+
Schumacher expensive also even used 150+

What you can also look into are M chassis these are True Ten Scale cars als know as TTR or 12th scale
Cup Racer 125ish
Atomic VM2 M-chassis 200ish new
ABC Genetic 150ish new (Trader Village as these in stock)

They drift as good as the normal touring cars.

ESC and Motor:
Mamba Max Pro
Tekin RS
LRPs
Speed Passions
Higher end EZRuns
Novak (Wait for their new lines to come out their current line sucks lots of heat issues)

Motor wise stay in the 8.5t to 17.5t brushless sensored is ur best bet.
If you want sensorless stick to Slotless Brushless Motors.
Slotless are smoth rotating Motors they dont have this Click Click noise.
This way you have a smooth motor if you dont get a sensored one.




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PostSubject: Re: Brushless Drift Build..   Sun Dec 05, 2010 2:58 pm

Got my brushless RC.

Picked up the Sprint 2 FLUX.
Locked the differentials, and did a minor CS mod.
Looks like my Step Mom wants to get us Christmas gifts.
Take advantage of her kindness and have her buy all the hop ups that I was not willing to spend my money on.

Like these sets that come with..
- 1 x GPM ALLOY REAR KNUCKLE ARM 1PAIR SP2022 SILVER
- 1 x GPM ALLOY MOTOR MOUNT SET SP2038 SILVER
- 1 x GPM ALLOY STEERING ASSEMBLY SET SP2048 SILVER
- 1 x GPM ALLOY REAR LOWER ARM 1 pair SP2056 SILVER
- 1 x GPM STEEL REAR UNIVERSAL 1 pair SSP2338R
- 1 x GPM ALLOY FRONT KNUCKLE ARM 1 pair SP2021 SILVER
- 1 x GPM ALLOY FRONT LOWER ARM 1 pair SP2055 SILVER
- 1 x GPM ALLOY FRONT C-HUB 1pair SP2019 SILVER
- 1 x GPM ALLOY BATTERY HOLDER SP20126 SILVER
- 1 x GPM STEEL FRONT UNIVERSAL 1 pair SSP2340F
Since all that is taken care of, I figured I can by myself these..

- 1 x GPM ALLOY DRIVE ADAPTOR 4PCS SET SP2010 SILVER
- 1 x GPM ALLOY MAIN CHASSIS MOUNT SP2015 SILVER
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless Drift Build..   Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:36 pm

Looks like the bling factor has begun!!!!!
That's gonna look pretty cool when you are all done.
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless Drift Build..   Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:38 pm

-TC5racer- wrote:
Looks like the bling factor has begun!!!!!
That's gonna look pretty cool when you are all done.

I need to strip the purple off all my other parts though.
Shouldn't be to hard though, Ill look into that later this week.
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless Drift Build..   Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:44 pm

Oven cleaner takes anodizing off.
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless Drift Build..   Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:04 pm

-TC5racer- wrote:
Oven cleaner takes anodizing off.

Thanks for the tip.
I soak em, right?
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PostSubject: Re: Brushless Drift Build..   Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:01 pm

Got some pictures of a front mid sprint 2.





QuangVuong wrote:
Steering crank position


QuangVuong wrote:
Stuffed up the counter sinking on the top hole on the right side, so had to move the crank down a bit.




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